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Exclusive Interview with Ted Zale, nephew of middleweight legend Tony Zale

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Thieves Who Stole Zale, Basilio Championship Belts Caught; The Belts Sadly Lost Forever

This week (June 10) marks the 75th anniversary of the third and final fight (see war) between middleweight champions Tony Zale and Rocky Graziano. “Man Of Steel” Zale won the match via brutal third-round KO, after stopping Graziano in the first fight and then stopping himself in the rematch.

Two-time middleweight king Zale (67-18-2(45)) is one of the toughest, hardest-hitting middleweights in history, and Zale’s effectiveness as a body puncher is well documented. In tiny, there will never be another Tony Zale. He was special.

Ted Zale, Tony’s nephew, lost his father at a newborn age, leaving “Uncle Tony” to step in, becoming a very real father figure. When asked by the former master to write a biography, Ted agreed, and Man of Steel was a really great read.

Today, as he approaches his 75th birthday, Ted was kind enough to give up some of his time for an interview for ESB readers.

Q: It’s great to talk to you, Ted. Can I ask you how ancient you were when your dad died and whether Tony Zale became a figure in your upbringing?

Ted Zale: “My dad died and Uncle Tony came to support us all. I had four brothers. I was eight years ancient when my father died.”

Q: And Tony Zale himself tragically lost his father at a newborn age, right?

TZ: “Yes, when he was two. His father died in the first bicycle-car accident in Gary, Indiana.

Q: Talk about the tough start in life for both of you……

TZ: “Yes. Fortunately, I had four older brothers and Uncle Tony. It definitely made a gigantic difference in my life.”

Q: What was Tony Zale like when he raised you? I think he had quite strict discipline.

TZ: “He was a very nice man, both as a father, mentor and friend. The feeling of love you always felt when you were with him was special. He was patient, loving – just a good friend.”

Q: When did you start writing Man of Steel?

TZ: “We went out to dinner in Chicago one night, me, my wife, him and his wife. This was probably in the behind schedule 80’s. And I was in the middle of a career change, gaining knowledge in the financial field, which became my career. He got fed up with me and asked, he said, “I have a amusing thing to ask you.” Would you write my biography? I felt honored but also shocked (laughter). I had just gotten my master’s degree, so I guess he figured I was used to writing a lot. So I told him I would take some time every day and try to do as much research as needed.

“He said, ‘Make sure you interview me!’ I told him I wouldn’t do it (laughter). I accumulated almost 300 hours of interviews with all my relatives who were still alive, of course with Uncle Tony himself to get his perspective, and with his friends who were still around. I started it in the behind schedule 80’s and finally finished it. He was contacted by Clay Moyle, obviously a boxing historian, and we worked on the book together.

Q: Have you spoken to any of your uncle’s former opponents?

TZ: “I certainly did. I talked to Rocky Graziano on the phone a few times to get his perspective on their fights. Billy Soose, who he fought in a non-title fight, I met him in Canastota, at the Hall of Fame. And maybe three or four guys who weren’t as well-known, they were a little put off by the uncle’s right to the body, so they never went after it. [a boxing career] much further.”

Q: Soose defeated Zale and there was no rematch?

TZ: “Uncle wanted to fight him again, but Soose couldn’t stay in that weight class, he was too gigantic. In a few of his fights he reached 167, 168. Boxers don’t like that, of course (laughs). Having [Soose] he was a Muhammad Ali type, he moved and threw a punch.

Q: Everyone rates the Zale-Graziano trilogy as one of the best. Would you say it was the greatest trilogy of all time?

TZ: “I would say yes. Yes. It was the golden age of boxing. Both guys took a lot of punishment and were willing to take a lot of punishment to win the fight.

Q: Did your uncle say Rocky was his toughest opponent ever?

TZ: “No. He said Rocky was good, of course, but the toughest guy he ever fought was the guy he won the title from, the NBA title, and that was Al Hostak. Al Hostak had speedy hands, a lot of power, good, shifty movement. I think Al’s Achilles’ heel was his hands, unfortunately – he broke them a lot in the fights. He actually had to have his hands retaped for their title fight because people were worried he had put weight on them with the tape. So they had to retape him for the fight with his uncle in Seattle.

“Probably the toughest guy he mentioned to me was a newborn Greek guy he fought in Chicago, Steve Mamakos. The uncle said he hit him with everything and couldn’t put him to sleep. He defeated him in the 14th round (in the second fight, Zale won by majority decision in the first fight). Rocky would probably be there, right between them. Rocky was a street fighter, he had this gigantic right hand and he knew how to exploit it.

Q: And only the third Zale-Graziano fight was filmed, right?

TZ: “Yeah. By the third fight, my uncle knew what he wanted to do with him and what he couldn’t do with him, so it was a pretty dominant performance. Although Rocky tried to land some good shots and he managed to land some good shots in the second round. But it wasn’t enough to stop my uncle in his quest to regain the title.”

Q: Everyone talks about Zale’s great body punching. Was it his ability to punch the body that set him apart?

TZ: “Absolutely yes. He was a fighter who wanted to knock someone out, leaving no doubt as to the winner. They said he was a bad gym fighter, but he wasn’t a bad gym fighter. What he was trying to do was find movement and timing. When you threw with your left or right hand, he ducked, connected with the body and had a neat shot. And that’s what he’s been working on his entire gym career. According to him, it didn’t bother him if his sparring partner hit him. He just wanted to shorten the time so he could land a crushing punch straight to the body and then finish it off with a left hook.

Q: Your uncle certainly has some heritage.

TZ: “Yeah, and it wasn’t just boxing that was vital to him. Helping kids… He spent the rest of his career after boxing helping kids in Chicago. It’s just an incredible story. What he did. The testimonies I got from a lot of ancient fighters. They came to his funeral and said if it wasn’t for him, they’d be dead on the streets of Chicago. They told me that, they said, ‘He saved my life.’

“When I was signing books, I met two different soldiers who served in World War II. My uncle trained men in hand-to-hand combat in Puerto Rico before they went overseas to fight in World War II. Two boys told me that if it weren’t for their uncle’s training, the Germans would have killed them. They said that if it weren’t for the hand-to-hand combat training he gave them, they wouldn’t be here today. It’s great to know he had such an impact on people he never knew. He taught them how to survive.”

Q: Of course there should be a movie about Tony Zale. Graziano got the cinematic treatment with “Somebody Up There Likes Me.”

TZ: “It really should be. The uncle was supposed to play himself in this movie, but he killed Paul Newman. Uncle Tony played alone, practiced in the ring, and Newman hit my uncle a few times. My uncle said it was an act, he told him don’t hit me or I will hit you. Newman said he could tell my uncle was getting grave. But Newman came up with a right hand and punched him, and the uncle landed a right shot to the body and knocked him out for about three minutes! When Newman stood up, he said, “That’s it!” He has gone.’ And that’s it.

Q: Tony Zale actually flattened Paul Newman!

TZ: “I tried to get Newman to talk about it, but he didn’t want to talk about it. I tried to interview him and he said, “I don’t want to talk about it.” Before I finish, I just need to mention my uncle’s world championship belts that were stolen from the International Hall of Fame. We rented belts there, and on November 5, 2015, someone broke in and stole two belts from my uncle and four belts from Carmen Basilio. They are still missing. No idea who it was, although there was a bloodstain, broken glass, but no matches. [with prints]. We hope to get his stripes back one day.”

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40 years ago: Tkacz – Dokes Draw and the decision that still angers “Hercules”

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Recalling A Forgotten Heavyweight Slugfest – The Astonishing Mike Weaver - James Pritchard Fight

Mike Weaver, one of the more underrated heavyweight champions, one of the so-called “lost generation” of heavyweights who held the world title on a rotating basis in the 1980s, contributed a lot to his weight class. Nicknamed “Hercules” for his ripped physique, Weaver served in Vietnam, and it was in the Marines that Weaver began boxing.

Weaver crushed the Marine Corps Heavyweight Champion, and it was all because the two men had an argument over a song on a jukebox, and everyone was telling Weaver how he should be a fighter. Weaver didn’t even know he had beaten the Marine Corps champion! After a fairly brief amateur career, Weaver turned professional in September 1972 at the age of 21.

After some early setbacks, including three losses in his first four fights, two by stoppage, Weaver began to, in his own words, “take boxing seriously.” Additional losses, including a pair of losses at the hands of the Bobick brothers, Duane and Rodney, followed before Weaver could get into his groove and become a contender, but by 1978 Weaver—with a record of 15-8(9)—was well on his way to becoming the unexpected world champion.

An October 1978 KO win over Bernardo Mercado sparked some discussion, and Weaver was given a chance to fight WBC heavyweight boss Larry Holmes. That happened in June 1979, and a huge fight ensued, with Weaver, now a nine-year pro, giving Holmes hell before being stopped too slow.

But would Weaver ever become champion? Fans got a dramatic answer in March 1980 when Weaver, trailing on points after 14 rounds in a fight with defending WBA heavyweight champion John Tate, sensationally turned Tate’s world upside down with a close-range left hook to the jaw that landed on Tate’s jaw with just: 45 clicks left on the clock.

Weaver’s reign would be quite short-lived, with his title controversially stripped from him by an itchy trigger finger from the referee who was working Weaver’s fight with Mike Dokes in December 1982.

Weaver, making his third defense, was caught early and taken to the ground, but he still got up and fought on the ropes, but Joey Curtis dove in and stopped the fight. It ended at 1:03. Thus, Weaver’s title reign began with a KO that came desperately slow in the fight and ended with a TKO that came prematurely, in a flash, early in the fight. Weaver got a rematch with Dokes – a fight that had taken place 40 years ago – but was again denied, this time by a highly controversial 15-round draw that allowed Dokes to retain the belt.

Here, Weaver kindly recalls some key moments from his ring career:

In its beginnings:

“Vietnam was a gigantic part of my life, and I got into boxing while I was in the service. But I don’t talk about that time, not even with my family. Not always. I was naturally gigantic, 6’1″ and 200 pounds. I got into a fight with another Marine over a fight I wanted to play on the jukebox. I knocked him out, and I found out later he was the Marine boxing champion!”

On the biggest punch he’s ever faced:

“[Bernardo] Mercado was the hardest boxer I ever faced. He knocked me down in our fight and he did it in sparring as well. He hit really challenging.”

On Holmes’ 1979 fight:

“I wasn’t afraid of Holmes. I told everyone I would beat him or at least give him the hardest fight of his life. Everyone just laughed. I pushed him really challenging and even scored a knockdown, but the referee called it a slip. Holmes showed his greatness by stopping me (in the 12th round).”

One of the sensational KO’s over Tate:

“I never took boxing seriously at first. But I was really grave about fighting Tate. I trained the hardest I’ve ever trained for that fight. I knocked him out with 45 seconds left in the 15th round. My team told me, ‘What are you waiting for?’ Go out there and knock him out now or don’t bother going back to that corner. It meant a lot to me to be a world champion. I was just an opponent and no one was really building me up.

On the controversial half-time loss to Dokes and the rematch that followed:

“Dokes never hurt me [in the first fight]. My friends told me that they (Las Vegas officials) would find any reason they could to stop the fight. They told me not to take the fight. After that, after what happened, I never trusted the authority in the sport again. My heart was never in the sport again, although I continued to fight for a long time. In the second fight, I beat Dokes, but I couldn’t beat the system and they called it a draw.”

Weaver retired in slow 2000 after losing a rematch to Holmes (“we were older guys, we just saw what we could do”) – and his record was a more than slightly misleading 41-18-1(28).

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Ernie “Indian Red” Lopez: The Utah Warrior Who Fought Griffith and Napoles

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Ernie “Indian Red” Lopez

Born: September 23, 1945 at Fort Duchesne, Utah.

He died: October 3, 2009 in Pleasant Grove, Utah.

Record: 61 fights, 49 wins (25 by KO/TKO), 11 losses, 1 draw.

I turned professional: June 1963.

Last fight: October 1974.

Weight distribution: Welterweight

Defeat: Armand Lourenco (twice), Pulga Serrano, Al Andrews, Johnny Brooks (three times), Jose Stable*, Tito Marshall, Musashi Nakano, Gabe Terronez, Hedgemon Lewis (twice), Raul Soriano, Chucho Garcia, Manuel Avitia, Ruben Rivera, Peter Cobblah, Manuel Fierro, Oscar Abalardo**, Sal Martinez, Manuel Gonzalez*,

Lost with: Don Minor, Johnny Brooks, Adolph Pruitt*, Raul Soriano, Hedgeman Lewis, Jose Napoles (twice)**, Emile Griffith (twice)**, Armando Muniz*, John H Stracey**.

I drew with:Armand Lourenco

** World Champion title holders

*World Champion Title Contenders


Lopez’s career

-1963/64 He won his first ten fights, then in December 1964 he was defeated on points by Don Minor to win the North American welterweight title.

-1965 It was a 3-0-1 draw with Armand Laouenco and his knockout

-1966 Ten fights and a record of 8-2, 2-1 in fights with Johnny Brooks, defeating Jose Stable and Tito Marshall, but losing to Adolph Pruitt.

-1967 Won all 9 of his fights, defeating Benito Juarez, Johnny Brooks, Musashi Nakano and Doug McLeod.

-1968 Improved to 6-0, defeating Raul Soriano and Gabe Terronez and stopping Hedgemon Lewis (22-0) in nine rounds.

-1969 Score 4-1: Stopped Serrano and defeated Chucho Garcia, then lost on points to Hedgemon Lewis in July and was stopped in the tenth round in October.

-1970 February was knocked down three times and defeated by Jose Napoles in a fight for the WBA and WBC titles. He defeated Manuel Avitia, Ruben Rivera and Cipriano Hernandez.

-1971 Lost by majority decision to Emile Griffith. Wins over Peter Cobblah, Danny Perez, Miguel Fierro and future WBA/WBC welterweight champion Oscar Albarado.

-1972 Lost again in a close decision to Emile Griffith. He scored wins over Sal Martinez, Manuel Gonzalez and Jose Luis Baltazar.

-1973 February was knocked out in the seventh round by Jose Napoles in a rematch for the WBA and WBC titles. It was a solemn knockout, Lopez was out of the fight for about three minutes. Lopez returned in July but was knocked down by Armando Muniz and retired at the end of the seventh round.

-1974 Lopez was stopped by John H. Stracey in seven rounds, with Lopez being cut above both eyes. Lopez retired after the fight with Stracey.


Ernie Lopez’s Life Story

Ernie Lopez was born on the Uintah and Ouray Indian Reservation in Fort Duchesne, Utah. His mother was a Ute Indian and his father was from another Native American tribe, and Lopez was the third of their eight children.

His father taught him how to box, and he began boxing in high school. He and his older brothers, Leonard and Danny “Little Red” Lopez, moved to California and boxed on a YMCA team there.

Brother Danny won the WBC featherweight title. The nickname Indian Red came from Lopez’s red hair and Indian heritage. He was 21-1-1 in his first 23 fights, but then suffered back-to-back losses to Johnny Brooks and Adolph Pruitt.

He rebuilt himself, winning 10 of his next 11 fights, losing only to Raul Soriano, before crushing and stopping Hedgemon Lewis (22-0) in July 1968. He defeated Soriano in a rematch, but then lost on points to Lewis in July 1969, but regained form in October and stopped Lewis again.

This gave him a shot at the WBA and WBC welterweight titles. Unfortunately, the great Jose Napoles knocked Lopez down in the first, ninth and again in the fifteenth round, and the fight was stopped with twenty-two seconds remaining.

He bounced back, winning ten of his next twelve fights, with two of his losses coming to Emile Griffith – the first by majority decision, the second by unanimous decision, but by the narrowest of margins.

Two wins later that year earned him a comeback fight with Napoles in February 1973 in a fight that changed his life. Lopez was reportedly ahead after six rounds, and Napoles cut his eye and the bridge of his nose.

In the seventh round, Napoles exploded with a devastating punch that knocked Lopez down and left him unconscious for three minutes. The loss crushed Lopez’s spirit, and marital problems sent Lopez into a downward spiral.

He fought twice more, but lost both fights by distance. Then he slowly drifted away from his friends and family, who would appear unexpectedly from time to time, before losing contact with them for twelve years. He wandered from city to city and state to state, and was eventually reported missing.

When talk of Lopez being inducted into the California Boxing Hall of Fame began in 2004, his ex-wife and children decided to determine once and for all whether he was still alive.

He was eventually tracked down by Social Security number at the Presbyterian Night Shelter in Texas. Lopez’s former promoter and Californian Boxing Hall of Fame president Don Fraser arranged for Lopez to fly to Los Angeles, where he met his family, including 23 grandchildren. Lopez was inducted into the Californian Boxing Hall of Fame and died on October 3, 2009, at the age of 64.

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Always wonderful: Hagler’s greatness will never be forgotten

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On This Day 40 Years Ago: The Great Marvin Hagler Was Floored For The Only Time In His Career

Today, if he were alive, if he had not been so cruelly taken from us, and most of all from those closest to us, the Marvelous Marvin Hagler would be celebrating his 69th birthday. Hagler, born in Newark, Up-to-date Jersey in 1954, is of course considered one of the greatest middleweights in history. Some say Hagler should be called the GREATEST in middleweight history.

It’s still difficult to believe that Hagler is gone, dead far too soon, no longer here with his fellow Kings, ready, willing and able to tell the tales of those epic, super-special fights. Of course, you know the fights I’m talking about – Hagler-Hearns, Hagler-Duran, Hagler-Leonard. And those are just the Kings.

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Hagler also fought, as destroyed, Alan Minter, Vito Antuofermo (in a rematch), Caveman Lee, Mustafa Hamsho, Fulgencio Obelmejias, Tony Sibson, John Mugabi, Juan Roldan and Wilford Scypion. In all, Hagler defended his beloved middleweight crown 12 times. Ultimately, only a still hotly debated decision loss to Leonard ended Marv’s time at the top. And in the sport.

Hagler was so devastated and disgusted by the split decision that was handed down against him in April of 1987 that he never fought again. In fact, Hagler once said that he never put on a pair of gloves again after losing/getting robbed (take your pick) in the Leonard fight, so bitter was it that he was left.

But we, the fans, never stopped loving Hagler, and we never stopped watching his many great fights. Today, in an era when the sport has changed so much that there are so many titles up for grabs, and fighters in their prime only get to box once a year (Hagler’s activity level dropped in later years, but that was after Marvin had more than his share of ring time in his, shall we say, lean years), we have never missed the days of Hagler, Hearns, Duran, or Leonard as much. Or the “Four Kings.”

But those glory days will never return. We have to pop a DVD in the player if we want to relive those special moments, the days when superfights like Hagler-Hearns and Hagler-Duran could be signed relatively easily. In those days, the best liked to prove themselves by competing with the best. And Hagler didn’t shy away from anyone. It could be argued that Hagler was never, ever truly beaten by anyone (as for the honor of the cleanest fighter Hagler ever faced, that probably went to Willie Monroe during his March 1976 battle with Hagler).

Hagler was special, we all know that. In fact, all fight fans, both casual and hardcore, know that. How many of us immediately associate the name, Hagler! We all know. Hagler was and is a fighter that if you want to find a description of what a great fighter is, he is a perfect example in any dictionary or encyclopedia.

Halger once said that he was a born fighter and that if anyone “ever cuts open my bald head, they’ll find one massive boxing glove.”

Hagler was sincere: “This is everything I am. I live this,” he said of the sport to which he has given so much.

Hagler should still be here, but he isn’t. But a lot of Marvelous Marvin’s great fights are. And for the great memories, we all owe him so much.

The wonderful Marvin Hagler – middleweight king from September 1980 to April 1987. 62-3-2(52).

What is your favorite Marvin Hagler fight?

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