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Why Joshua vs. Fury Needs to Happen

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Cast your mind back to 2017. Anthony Joshua is the undefeated IBF and IBO heavyweight champion of the world, having just scored a stunning victory over the legendary Wladimir Klitschko.

Across the pond, reigning WBC heavyweight champion Deontay Wilder had stopped 38 of his 39 opponents, and it seemed as if the two giants were on a collision course that would end with the winner being crowned the greatest heavyweight of our generation.

Seven years on, the heavyweight landscape is unrecognisable, AJ having embarked on a journey that took him from poster boy for British boxing to being mocked by the public and almost written off – before climbing back to the top of the division. Wilder’s sense of invincibility has been eroded by Fury, Parker and Zhang, leaving him a shell of his former menacing self.

Joshua vs. Wilder seemed inevitable, so how did what could have been one of the biggest fights of our era never happen and now will only be talked about in terms of “imaginary fights”?

You could say that’s how boxing works: a brutal game of snakes and ladders. All it takes is one fight to completely change the perception of a fighter. When the opening bell rings, they’re undefeated, adored, and idolized. One bad night and they’re ridiculed, deeply flawed, and relegated to the fringes of their division. Then they face the daunting task of coming back from obscurity.

But you could also argue that the fact that we missed Joshua-Wilder is simply a reminder of how much has changed. We are now in the era of four belts: WBC, WBO, IBF and WBA; all of these governing bodies make it incredibly arduous to get the best fights. If the governing bodies continue to pick their mandatory challengers, which seems very illogical, then we will continue to see the best fights take place far too delayed, or not at all.

This is one of many ongoing issues. Others include: fighters and promoters protecting their unbeaten record, promoters not wanting to work with each other, waiting for the “right money” and waiting for the “right time” until that time has passed completely.

As the current elite heavyweights approach the end of their careers, it is becoming clear that there is one particular fight that, if it did not happen, would be an even bigger disaster than not fighting Joshua with Wilder.

Joshua vs Fury is probably the biggest fight in boxing at the moment, two British heavyweights who have had ups and downs in their careers, both idolised at one point and then demonised, now at the very end of their careers.

This fight has the potential to outshine previous British heavyweight classics, especially if both fighters are successful in their next fights. Lewis vs. Bruno and Cooper vs. Bugner were huge events; however, there are some critical differences.

Bruno, despite being the nation’s favourite, was never seen as being on the same level as Lewis, while Joshua and Fury were the two sides of the aisle in the public eye as to who was the best. At the start of AJ’s career, many considered him unbeatable, entering the professional game with an Olympic gold medal, having stopped his first 20 opponents.

In contrast, Fury, who entered the professional ranks with a much smaller fan base and looked unimpressive at times, facing the likes of John McDermott. Later in their careers, they swapped places. AJ suffered his first defeat at the hands of the speedy Mexican Andy Ruiz and has since struggled to shake off the narrative that he lost his temper and refused to commit. While Fury managed to outbox the legendary Wladimir Klitschko and dethrone the risky Deontay Wilder.

Cooper v Bugner was a night to remember, mainly because it had the crowd favourite, ‘our Enry’, in one corner and a player who most of Britain thought was a refugee from Hungary in the other. The stark contrast in feelings towards the two men made the result incredibly controversial.

Bugner won the contest on a close points decision, but some were adamant that Cooper, a two-time BBC Sports Personality of the Year winner, should have won. Cooper retired, and the press and public vented their anger on Bugner, who said: “I was treated like the man who shot Bambi.”

Henry Cooper vs. Joe Bugner

The press and public clearly favoured Cooper, while the same could not be said for Joshua or Fury. Both men had their time as ‘heroes’. Early on in AJ’s career, his Olympic gold medal, action hero looks and media training helped him become a phenomenon. Fashion brands wanted him as an ambassador, and he boasted a huge female fan base, even securing a partnership with Lynx so that men in the UK could smell like the Watford weightlifter.

Likewise, Fury has had his share of love from British fans. The Gypsy King has been very open about his mental health and addiction struggles. After his win over Klitschko, Fury went into a downward spiral, with depression, anxiety, alcohol addiction and cocaine abuse taking over.

Tyson stated that he was “going through a lot of personal demons” and admitted to having suicidal thoughts. Fury battled his demons and returned to the ring (after losing almost 14 stone) to face The Bronze Bomber in a trilogy that secured his place as the people’s champion.

It is certainly unthinkable that we would miss the fight of two men who are so similar and yet polar opposites and have attracted so much public attention. Surely this cannot happen…

Unfortunately, there are a few obstacles standing in the way of this iconic clash. AJ and Fury will have to defeat more opponents for the fight to retain its luster. On September 21, AJ will face newborn contender Daniel Dubois. There are a few similarities between the two Brits. Both have some momentum behind them. DDD put together impressive performances against Hrgovic and Miller, while AJ demolished Ngannou, Wallin and Helenius. When Dubois and Joshua face off, we will see just how flattering their last few fights were.

Another similarity is that the September 21 fight will be the fourth time both fighters have fought under fresh trainers. Both boxers seem to be settling in well with their fresh trainers, and both trainers are confident that their players will emerge victorious from their next fight.

The difference between the two Brits is where they are at in their careers. AJ is now 34 years elderly. He has already won and lost two world titles. There is no doubt that a loss to ‘DDD’ at this stage of his career would not only make it incredibly arduous for him to become a three-time world heavyweight champion, but would also have a huge impact on his legacy.

Dubois, on the other hand, is just 26 years elderly (27 when he fights Joshua). While the loss to AJ isn’t ideal, he’ll be able to bounce back and is in prime position to take over the heavyweight division once the current crop of champions retire.

Joshua is the clear favorite going into the fight, but Dubois offers enough of a threat that a surprise is completely out of the question. I think AJ will simply be too forceful for “DDD,” although Dubois has silenced many of his doubters in his last two fights. We have to remember that Hrgovic and Miller are not Joshua.

Daniel Dubois hits a right-footed pass to Filip Hrgovic

Fury’s next fight is where we really get into trouble, as Gypsy King steps in for a rematch with the fearsome Oleksandr Usyk. In their first fight, we saw Usyk do what many thought was impossible and walk away with an impressive points victory over a man who weighed 38 pounds more than him at the official weigh-ins.

We saw a three-part fight that kept us on the edge of our seats. In the first third of the fight, we saw Uysk march forward, setting the pace and applying pressure with his feet, constantly fainting and continuing with backhands to the head and body. Although these rounds were even, Fury’s negativity and lack of power punches caused him to lose the rounds.

In the middle part of the fight Fury seemed to find his rhythm and started to keep his feet and land combinations. At this point Uysk seemed to be tired and the momentum was on Fury’s side. In the final third of the fight Uysk found a gear that even his biggest fans didn’t know he had. The Ukrainian turned the tide and closed the show in dominant fashion.

Fury has a huge task ahead of him going into the rematch. Uysk has proven that he can’t be outworked, he doesn’t give in to mind games, and most importantly, he can hurt Fury.

With all that in mind, how can Fury avenge his loss and get back on track for Joshua? I think Gypsy King’s only chance is to forget about the showboating, regroup his corner, hold the position a split second longer (like in the middle rounds) and throw combinations instead of ones and twos. Whether Fury can do that long enough to pull off a victory is questionable, but one thing is for sure, if Uysk wins, he will solidify himself as the best heavyweight of this generation and probably the king of the divisions.

If both Britons win, there is no doubt we will see them in the ring soon, but what happens if one or both are dethroned before that time?

Logic dictates that if Fury loses but AJ wins, the fight would still have value, since both would have suffered two losses at the hands of Oleksandr Uysek (and presumably the winner of Joshua vs Fury would have a third chance at fighting him). But would Joshua vs Fury still happen if AJ loses? And if both lose, what then?

Regardless of the outcome, I want to see Joshua vs. Fury. This fight doesn’t come around very often. Two giants from the same diminutive island, same generation, ups and downs, their careers playing out side by side like distorting mirrors. It’s possible that their next fights could be obstacles, but should the outcome really matter that much? Hasn’t history taught us that styles make fights? This one could be a classic.

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Boxing in a diminutive gym has become too predictable

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I have NO extra sensory perception and cannot predict lottery numbers. But when one of our reporters omitted the six-round and four-round scores at a small-venue show last week (and couldn’t be reached by deadline), I added the scores of 60-54 and 40-36 to the report without a shudder doubts. After the magazine went to press, the same results arrived in my inbox and therein lies a earnest problem for British boxing.

It seems that so many diminutive shows in diminutive venues, especially north of Watford, host matchmaking so risky, so insipid, so cynical, that even the choreographed WWE seems like an legitimate sport by comparison.

Every week during the peak of the boxing season I look at the weekly national reports and the same numbers come up over and over again – 40-36, 60-54, . Maybe these are the lotto numbers we’re looking for?

About 30 apprentices regularly appear on this hamster wheel of reports, coddling, cuddling and mauling, hoping to avoid cuts or shutdowns, only to earn another paycheck soon thereafter. Their extensive records include narrow (sometimes one or two) stoppage victories; they actually pose no threat to your home (only to yourself and your long-term health).

For the first few fights, this may be considered acceptable as the newborn novice has to deal with the physical demands of the professional game. However, there is something disconcerting about a competitor who is almost 10-0 on the track in a diminutive gym and preys on competitors who are losing records. This is a record-breaking achievement that we don’t see to this extent in other countries, and when these players first step up to the challenge, they will likely fail without the foundation of a more competitive base.

LONDON – MARCH 8: An Oxford boxer greets the crowd during the 100th Varsity Boxing match between the University of Oxford and the University of Cambridge at York Hall in Bethnal Green on March 8, 2007 in London, England. The best of the Blues’ nine fights from featherweight to heavyweight was ultimately won by Oxford. (Photo: Matt Cardy/Getty Images)

Better fights cost more, yes, but that’s why quality and production values ​​are the basis of any form of entertainment.

One argument for this 40-36 epidemic would be that ticket seller fans are just joyful to see their guy win and get into a minor title fight. However, I’m sure the rest of those present would prefer to see a competitive fight. If you enjoy watching two men in shorts cuddling for 12-18 minutes, you can do it from the comfort of your own home via Google.

Many people love the thrill of fighting at any level. Even when a fight breaks out in a parking lot or playground, people have a natural tendency to gather around to witness the fierce battle of wills and physicality. But it’s unlikely you’ll hear a passerby shout, “My partner is so good at all this cuddling.” Or “I saw this guy hugging in Aldi last week, he’s an awkward customer.”

What other sporting event would you attend where the score is guaranteed to be almost 100? There is a sense of historical inertia here, where a culture of “it’s always been done this way” has led to an uninspiring and bleak outlook. This has gotten to the point where many matchmakers and promoters feel it is acceptable to put on, let’s be candid, crap fights. As a boxing fan, I have no interest in watching these shows and sometimes I think that our little stalwart supporter Andy Whittle deserves a purple heart for some of the trash he has witnessed in the backwaters of boxing. It is rumored that he had the number 40-36 tattooed on his back to commemorate his pain.

The British boxing ecosystem would be better off if one 1-0 fighter met another 1-0 fighter. Up-and-coming boxers will learn more, and fans in attendance will have fun and be interested in future performances. It is the sport of brave men and women, and to a lesser extent matchmakers.

This sense of the unexpected is what makes sports so electrifying. Even a minnow in an FA Cup match has a slim chance of upsetting a Premier League giant with home-field advantage. In small-hall boxing, few opportunities are taken, and that leads to more major promoters – apart from the more capable blue-chip fighters who usually have the firepower to end a six-round fight before the inevitable 60-54 score.

has traditionally been a documentary and that’s why we’re including these small-room, in-ring reports, with scales and additional information you may not find on Boxrec. But a lot Boxing news readers tell me they just scroll through these pages because it’s basically the same result and the names change every week.

Skip to the amateur side of this publication, however, and you’ll regularly read about competitive, well-matched fights at all levels, from club appearances to major tournaments. This pure sporting element is unfortunately lost in an increasingly cynical and short-sighted, small-hall, unimaginative track. Rinse and repeat.

In the aged days, fights in diminutive venues were more competitive. Even in the era of Nobby Nobbs’ Losers Restricted stable, where the capable Peter Buckley accidentally hurt a potential client and held up a wheezing newbie to keep next week’s paycheck. – Are you okay, buddy? Peter whispered in the clinch, then winked at the ring.

This handsome British tradition of “Nobbins” – during which an enthusiastic and engaged crowd threw money into the ring after a classic in a diminutive hall – is unfortunately long gone. Today they would keep the rest in their pocket.

I would love to see the return of Nobbins culture, although there would need to be a contactless payment option at the ring posts. Better fights would also be nice.

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A community boxing legend honored on a special night

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RECENTLY, over 100 former members of the South Norwood & Victory Amateur Boxing Club gathered in Croydon for a special reunion to honor the club’s founder and long-time coach, Terry Smith.

Now 85 years senior, Terry has devoted nearly six decades of his life to mentoring youthful boxers and helping them develop both in the ring and as individuals. The meeting was a heartfelt event, with participants coming from all over the UK and messages of support pouring in from all over the world, with everyone expressing their gratitude for the impact Terry had on their lives.

Terry founded South Norwood & Victory ABC in 1979 with the vision of not only training boxers, but also providing a safe and sound space where youthful boys and men could develop crucial life values ​​such as discipline, respect and perseverance. Over the years, he has become a mentor and role model for countless people, shaping their futures that reach far beyond the sport of boxing.

Through South Norwood & Victory, Terry and his co-coaches have produced numerous champions in both amateur divisions, many of whom have gone on to achieve great success at the professional level.

Among the participants of the reunion was Joshua Buatsi, the 2016 Olympic bronze medalist and one of the club’s most famed graduates. Buatsi, who began boxing under Terry’s tutelage as a teenager, spoke highly of his former trainer. “Terry didn’t just teach us how to box; he taught us how to be better people. The values ​​he instilled in me – discipline, resilience, respect – are things I carry with me every day, both in and out of the ring. I owe him so much.”

Mark Gillespie, co-coach of the South Norwood & Victory Amateur Boxing Club and former multiple-time junior national champion who organized the reunion, paid tribute to Terry’s influence both in and out of the ring. He reflected: “Like many other members of the club, Terry was like a second father to me. In addition to his incredible commitment and knowledge as a boxing coach – helping us develop our technical skills and passion for the sport – Terry invested in us as people. He taught us life lessons that went far beyond boxing, instilling in us a sense of personal pride and self-worth.

Mark added that Terry’s influence extended to teaching valuable social and life skills that shaped the futures of many youthful boxers. “He taught us how to maintain discipline and respect, how to deal with failure and how to support each other both as athletes and as people. These were lessons in resilience, responsibility and leadership that stayed with us for life and positively impacted both our family and professional lives.”

This quote further illustrates Terry’s holistic approach to coaching, emphasizing that his legacy is not just about the sport itself, but how he helped shape confident and capable youthful men ready to face life’s challenges.

Other members shared similar sentiments, emphasizing how Terry’s influence helped them overcome personal challenges and grow as individuals. One long-time member recalls: “When I first joined the club as a kid, I was on the wrong path. Terry believed in me when no one else did and gave me a sense of direction. It’s something I will never forget.”

The reunion not only honored Terry’s sacrifice, but also highlighted the lasting impact South Norwood & Victory ABC has had on the local community. Former boxers, many of whom are now successful in their personal and professional lives, spoke about the club’s influence in shaping who they are today. Messages from former members who were unable to attend in person came from as far away as Spain and Thailand, highlighting the breadth of Terry’s legacy.

Reflecting on the evening, Terry, with his characteristic humility, expressed his gratitude for the outpouring of love and support. “I never expected something like this. I just always wanted to support these guys find their way, both in boxing and in life. Seeing them grow up and do well – that’s the best reward I could ask for.”

As Terry turns 86, his commitment to club members and their families remains as forceful as ever. South Norwood & Victory ABC is not just a boxing club – it is a community, a family and a testament to one man’s unwavering dedication to the betterment of others.

The meeting was a powerful reminder of Terry Smith’s enduring legacy, both in the sport of boxing and in the countless incarnations he has encountered.

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Beterbiev vs Bivol scoring: Ringside vs TV

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In fact, the superfight between Beterbiev and Bivol was so close that either one fighter could have won by a slim margin or it could have ended in a draw. It was a great fight at the highest level. After an intense 12 rounds of high-level fighting, the feeling in the ring was that Bivol had done enough to secure a hard-fought victory.

Personally, seeing it up close and personal was something different than re-watching the broadcast the next day. From the ring, it was easier to see how economical Bivol’s moves were, and you really got a greater sense of Beterbiev’s constant pressure – although I felt it was more noticeable in person that he was having difficulty pinning down Bivol.

I didn’t score in the live fight, but as I say, I had a feeling Bivol did. However, after watching it again on TV and scoring round by round, I found that after the final bell the balance was 115-113 in favor of Artur Beterbiev.

Truth be told, there are about four rounds that could have gone either way, depending on what you like. For example, round seven, the most intriguing of the fight, along with round 12. Bivol controlled the first two minutes beautifully, landing immaculate shots and avoiding Beterbiev’s action with impeccable technique, but the shots never did any damage and although his work clearly did enough to win the first two minutes,

Beterbiev hurt him in return and fired much more damaging shots in the final minute of the round. Depending on whether you prefer polished boxing under pressure or brutal work that clearly influences the outcome of this round.

RIYADH, SAUDI ARABIA – OCTOBER 12: Dmitrii Bivol and Artur Beterbiev exchange blows during the IBF, IBO, WBC and WBO world title fight between Artur Beterbiev and Dmitrii Bivol as part of the Riyad Season – Card IV Crown Showdown at Kingdom Arena on October 12 2024 in Riyad. (Photo: Richard Pelham/Getty Images)

I’ve seen people suggest that Bivol ran too much. Nonsense! He boxed beautifully, his jab was on target and his movements were amazing, never wasted and always done with purpose. It’s basic to forget that Beterbiev knocks everyone out. Not with one punch, but with accumulating pressure, feints and never giving up.

Being forced to box perfectly against a hazardous, unrelenting boxer is exhausting, which is why no one has ever been able to go the full 12 points with Beterbiev. Bivol had to stay on the move, even though he had very little chance of escaping, he did it as best as anyone in his position could have done.

You can’t be greedy with Beterbiev. You jab, you string together pop combos, you earn his respect, and you move. There’s no point in tying him up all the time, because he’ll outrun you, and that’s his strength. Getting involved in a physical struggle with a man like that who can physically break you down will wear you out. There was nothing more Bivol could do. When he actually threw more in his combos, he was always hurt – his shots never really did damage.

While Arthur was firing intensely, Bivol actually pounced. He potentially could have responded more while being attacked, as it was in these moments that Beterbiev began to take control, but risked being eliminated. He took endless attacks from the man who knocks everyone out.

Similarly, with Beterbiev, people say he hit his gloves, which is true, but he hit them so firm that he damaged Bivol. In a post-fight interview, Bivol said that the bruise on his face was caused by Artur hitting his high guard.

They continued to deal damage that shocked Bivol, and with shots to the defender’s back and sickening body blows, his work was very effective. Artur started many rounds slowly and finished powerful.

He could have pressed the action earlier in the rounds to achieve a more spectacular victory, but once again Bivol is the most hard fighter to define in boxing and believe me, it was not basic for Artur.

In the end, both men countered perfectly and both gave their all, which ensured an intense chess match at the highest level, just as we expected.

It is also worth noting – although it is hard to imagine – that these two men are not perfectly functioning boxing robots, but people who, in addition to their excellent results and an attitude that never seems to show weakness, ultimately have to cope and fight experience adversity that they must find a way to overcome.

Riyad, Saudi Arabia: Dmitry Bivol in his locker room after a split decision. Lost to Artur Beterbiev.
October 13, 2024 Photo: Mark Robinson Matchroom Boxing.

Both are experienced, disciplined and well-trained enough to stay in shape and never leave it, but undeniably in a fight of this magnitude where there was no time for rest, fatigue played a key role in their victory. boxing absolutely perfect.

Perhaps that’s why Beterbiev didn’t press relentlessly from the first minute of each round, as he did later in the fight, thinking about going the distance, which is uncharted territory. On the other hand, Bivol showed a lot of energy at the beginning of the match and that may be why he was unable to respond to all of Beterbiev’s attacks towards the end of the match due to exhaustion.

Either way, what a brilliant fight. One that every boxing fan desperately wanted to see. I was lucky enough to witness it in person and it ended up being the best fight that could ever be had in boxing. Either of them could have won, and hopefully both will have a chance to gain the upper hand in the head-to-head rematch.

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