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The Champions Reunite as James DeGale and George Groves Reminisce on Past Glory
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2 months agoon
On a gloomy Wednesday afternoon, James DeGale and George Groves sit a few feet apart in the empty upstairs banqueting room of a west London pub.
They’re set to do a joint interview for the first time in almost a decade, and the production team is finalizing the set preparations. In the meantime, the pair chat about everything and nothing.
There was a time when a meeting between these two would have certainly involved many people from both teams: family, security, coaches, and everyone in between. It would almost certainly have been fraught with tension and the very real threat of physical violence, and not just between players.
“The competition was solemn and intense because it wasn’t just me and him,” DeGale explains. “Ultimately, it was his team against my team. That cuts deep.”
But after all these years, the two greatest super-middleweights in British boxing history have not been all that different from the players who might have been frequenting the bar downstairs in the same venue. “How’s the family?” they ask. “Still training a bit, eh?” For a moment it’s challenging to believe they shared the country’s fiercest rivalry since Benn and Eubank.
Chris Eubank Jr, incidentally, was the man in the opposite corner the last time DeGale or Groves fought professionally, when the ghost of Chunky lost a unanimous decision at the O2 Arena in February 2019. He announced his retirement shortly after, following the path Groves had taken exactly one month earlier. Groves was just 30 at the time, DeGale 33.
However, since the start of 2019, the pair have led very different lives. Groves has clearly moved into commentary and broadcasting, making regular TV appearances and hosting his own podcast, while DeGale has barely been seen. A man who has never been keen on interviews, he was adamant he would disappear once his career was over – and he did.
But in June, social media went wild when Groves posted a photo of the pair, claiming they had bumped into each other by accident on the King’s Road. Groves admitted: “I wrote it but I actually sent it to James. I had a feeling our paths were going to cross soon, maybe professionally, so I thought let’s see what he does, let’s see what he thinks, let’s see if we can break the ice a little bit. He asked me what I thought and I told him I just wanted a coffee.”
DeGale chimes in. “I thought the guy wanted to fight, but I thought I’d just go and meet with him and see what he said. I met with him and George was fine.”
And what about the meeting, their first of its kind in many years? “It was OK,” Groves says. “I had already cooled off from the Carl Froch fight, so I had a bit more experience. Whereas he might be thinking, ‘Keep your hands out of your pockets or we might have a little roll-around.’”
“It was a little chilly at first,” DeGale nods. “But once we started talking… George was fine.
“Back then, all I had to do was look at George and he would piss me off. I can’t even tell you how much that guy pissed me off. But I’m a lot more mature. You grow up and you get smarter and things don’t piss you off as much. Now I look at him and I think, ‘That’s OK.'”
The rivalry began over two decades ago when both boxed for Dale Youth ABC. At first, age and weight kept them apart, but both knew that soon they would have to prove who was the best middleweight in the club.
“George was 13 and had a tattoo,” DeGale recalls. “He was 14 and had a massive, hairy chest. By 15, he was a man, so I had to treat him like a man.”
Groves laughs. “There was Chunky, the little fat kid in the back of the van. Mischievous, but he didn’t take boxing seriously.
“Then one year he dropped down from lithe heavyweight to middleweight and I moved up to middleweight. I was two years younger but I remember thinking one day I was going to have to smash him. At that time he was still picking me up in his car and driving me to Crystal Palace and I just thought it was great to fight the ABA champion. But I knew it was going to get awkward soon.”
Things got really awkward in 2006 when the pair met in the North West Divisions of the ABAs on the 14th night of the Brent Town Hall in front of a few hundred people. Groves won by majority decision, much to DeGale’s disdain.
“Oh, I won,” DeGale says. “That was obvious. It’s on YouTube now, go and watch it. That’s obvious.” Groves, smiling again, adds: “No, I put it in him.”
“I was very disappointed,” DeGale continues. “I thought it would affect my chances of qualifying for the 2008 Olympics. I thought, ‘Is he going?’ I was in trouble.”
Ultimately, despite defeat, it was DeGale who was nominated for the British middleweight title and proved the right decision by winning an unexpected gold in Beijing.
“I didn’t watch any Olympics,” Groves says. “When he qualified, I thought, ‘OK, he’s going to get beat.’ And when he won gold, I sat down and realized I had to process that.
“I didn’t think I’d win gold because I beat him, but I thought, ‘That son of a bitch is going to have it now. People said it would be great for me because I’m his rival and if he explodes, I’ll explode with him. But I wasn’t joyful.”
DeGale turned in a massive way, while Groves’ early pro career was much more reserved. Still, those inside the boxing world connected them from the start.
“There’s a constant rivalry,” Groves explains. “We’re boxing, we’re turning pro at the same time, we’re on similar journeys. One minute I feel like I’m ahead, the next I know I’m not. I just think, ‘I’ve got to get him.’”
Groves came back to bite him in May 2011, when the board ordered them to meet for the British super-middleweight title. DeGale was 10-0 to Groves 12-0 at the time. As at Brent Town Hall, the fight was a close one, and as at Brent Town Hall, Groves won. Despite boxing for another eight years, they never secured a professional rematch. “It feels like unfinished business, to be truthful,” DeGale says.
That means the Hammersmith man, two years younger than his rival, leads 2-0. DeGale, an Olympic gold medallist, world champion and MBE, claims he has had the better career overall. He was the first Briton to win an Olympic gold medal and a world title, was never knocked out and points out he won the world title the first time he tried for it, with a memorable win over Andre Dirrell in Boston. Groves, famously, needed four tries to win it.
“But this is my final point,” says Groves. “Would you trade all that to win with me?”
“No way,” DeGale says. Now the temperature has risen a degree or two since they first met earlier that day. DeGale says, “George, leave it, I’m the man, I’m the champion, I’ve had the better career.” Then he suggests a potential third fight, telling Groves he can have a statue of him on his mantelpiece if he goes 3-0. Groves, a twinkle in his eye, suggests that the svelte DeGale is “too skinny for me now.”
After finishing their interview for Groves’ recent YouTube channel, the pair pose for photos. “There’s probably still a little bit of needle in there,” Groves says. “But James would probably agree with me that we’ll probably forgive each other long before our teams forgive each other.
“There will be people who will watch this and think, ‘How could they?’ Because they’re probably not ready to let go of that hate yet.”
Before DeGale leaves, the pair embrace. Chunky doesn’t waste the opportunity to test his strength against his rival by lifting him up. “How much do you weigh now?” he asks.
Unfinished business? It definitely feels that way.
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Commonwealth champion Nicola Hopewell is back on track
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23 hours agoon
October 18, 2024IT WAS just before Christmas 2021. Dennis Hobson’s fight night in Sheffield. Evening at Forge Ponds. Nicola Hopewell was hunting for pastures novel. Hopewell was finding her way now that her venerable boxing world was finally left behind. A long overdue and much needed transition to a more accepted side of the sport. At the time, Hopewell had no manager. She had no promoter. Hopewell actively pursued both.
Covid restrictions were still in place in the country. Masks were to be worn indoors during public events. The then government again issued an order to cover the mouth and nose again. Truth be told, few people cared about this night. We later learned that those who made all these endless and ever-changing rules didn’t care much either.
Hobson struggled with a lot this week. The fighting stopped. Card ruined by endless tardy cancellations. But somehow the show was saved. From what I remember, it was a four-fight card. Local flyweight Tommy Frank won a decision over Charles Tondo. By the way, Frank, a die-hard Sheffield United fan, has a story.
Hobson was set on Frank at the time. Before Covid, he was on a roll. When boxing returned, he was one of the first victims. Two unexpected defeats stopped his momentum. In the fight before Tondo, Frank won the British title. Hobson kept the faith and supported his man. He has a habit of doing just that.
Hopewell was there for that show. She was looking for guidance as her professional career was about to begin. The Worksop player met Hobson after the performance. Terms were offered. Hobson wanted to sign a contract with Hopewell. He liked what he saw and thought he could do something with her.
Hopewell, however, went elsewhere. Although ironically that professional debut eight months later was on Hobson at Bramall Lane. Like Tommy Frank, Hopewell spends his time supporting the red and white people of the city. She called it a dream debut. In many ways it was. Hopewell won by stoppage in the final round. The reluctant opposition barely struck a blow. Hopewell landed virtually everything she threw. Now she was on her feet.
Hopewell has six fights under his belt. In 2023, she lost her undefeated record in a Commonwealth title fight against super flyweight Emma Dolan. A fight from which many lessons were learned. Moving up to flyweight gave Hopewell a second chance to win Commonwealth gold earlier this year.
A tough but deserved victory over Gemma Ruegg in April gave Hopewell her first professional title. However, like many others, Hopewell has been inactive recently. She hasn’t fought since her victory over Ruegg. A possible double title clash with European champion Chloe Watson was lost when the fight seemed obvious. A lost opportunity worth returning to.
Nicola Hopewell needed something or someone to take her to the next stage. Wandering around various promotions is a fight without a plan. No direction. Hopewell needed both. It had to be treated as a priority.
Hobson never lost interest in Hopewell. Virtually every time I saw him in concert, Hopewell was mentioned in conversation. You had a feeling that at some point they would end their cooperation. And they have.
Hopewell returns to Skate Central in Sheffield this Saturday live on Fightzone. The first defense of the Commonwealth title against the uncompromising Nigerian Mary Aina Abbey. A fight that will finally get Hopewell and Hobson on the same page. The experienced promoter is delighted with the novel acquisition.
“Nicola should have signed me from the beginning, but she did,” Hobson told Boxing News. “I’ve gotten to the point where I don’t have to work with anyone I don’t want to. I think she’s a lovely girl and I’ve always thought so. We can do much more with it.
“Nicola can move up and down in several weight classes, depending on the opportunities that lie ahead of her. Without blowing my own horn, I’m as good as anyone at manipulating people. Nicola has such a good attitude. She will fight anyone. But sometimes they need to be protected from themselves. It’s about taking the right fights at the right time.
“But it’s nice that he has such a positive attitude. She’s not a diva. Nicola has such a wonderful personality and I want to aid her succeed and I want her to succeed. I want to collect some titles with her.”
Hopewell is also excited about what lies ahead. At the age of 33, he is entering the most vital stage of his career. The athlete was clearly relieved to have some much-needed structure in her career.
“I’m really content to sign Dennis and have the opportunity to be lively over the next few months,” says Hopewell about signing Hobson. “I met with Dennis and we discussed the possibilities, which I’m excited about.”
Abbey won’t be an basic first defense for Hopewell. She has a win over Laura Pain and has only one loss in thirteen recognized fights. “It’s a test, but if Nicola wants to get on the world stage she’s going to have to beat girls like her,” Hobson says of the Nigerian import, which will give the promoter an immediate idea of how far she could potentially go with her novel acquisition.
A three-fight deal will keep them in harmony with each other and hopefully result in more titles. Hopewell always believed she was capable of winning a world title. Hobson believes he can give her that. I want us to win the world title with her in the next two years.
They both now hope that this is how their story will end. A short-term contract that could be much longer if things go well for all parties. It started that Friday night in Ponds Forge, almost three years ago. It took a while, probably longer than it should have, but they finally got there.
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Boxing in a diminutive gym has become too predictable
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2 days agoon
October 17, 2024I have NO extra sensory perception and cannot predict lottery numbers. But when one of our reporters omitted the six-round and four-round scores at a small-venue show last week (and couldn’t be reached by deadline), I added the scores of 60-54 and 40-36 to the report without a shudder doubts. After the magazine went to press, the same results arrived in my inbox and therein lies a earnest problem for British boxing.
It seems that so many diminutive shows in diminutive venues, especially north of Watford, host matchmaking so risky, so insipid, so cynical, that even the choreographed WWE seems like an legitimate sport by comparison.
Every week during the peak of the boxing season I look at the weekly national reports and the same numbers come up over and over again – 40-36, 60-54, . Maybe these are the lotto numbers we’re looking for?
About 30 apprentices regularly appear on this hamster wheel of reports, coddling, cuddling and mauling, hoping to avoid cuts or shutdowns, only to earn another paycheck soon thereafter. Their extensive records include narrow (sometimes one or two) stoppage victories; they actually pose no threat to your home (only to yourself and your long-term health).
For the first few fights, this may be considered acceptable as the newborn novice has to deal with the physical demands of the professional game. However, there is something disconcerting about a competitor who is almost 10-0 on the track in a diminutive gym and preys on competitors who are losing records. This is a record-breaking achievement that we don’t see to this extent in other countries, and when these players first step up to the challenge, they will likely fail without the foundation of a more competitive base.
Better fights cost more, yes, but that’s why quality and production values are the basis of any form of entertainment.
One argument for this 40-36 epidemic would be that ticket seller fans are just joyful to see their guy win and get into a minor title fight. However, I’m sure the rest of those present would prefer to see a competitive fight. If you enjoy watching two men in shorts cuddling for 12-18 minutes, you can do it from the comfort of your own home via Google.
Many people love the thrill of fighting at any level. Even when a fight breaks out in a parking lot or playground, people have a natural tendency to gather around to witness the fierce battle of wills and physicality. But it’s unlikely you’ll hear a passerby shout, “My partner is so good at all this cuddling.” Or “I saw this guy hugging in Aldi last week, he’s an awkward customer.”
What other sporting event would you attend where the score is guaranteed to be almost 100? There is a sense of historical inertia here, where a culture of “it’s always been done this way” has led to an uninspiring and bleak outlook. This has gotten to the point where many matchmakers and promoters feel it is acceptable to put on, let’s be candid, crap fights. As a boxing fan, I have no interest in watching these shows and sometimes I think that our little stalwart supporter Andy Whittle deserves a purple heart for some of the trash he has witnessed in the backwaters of boxing. It is rumored that he had the number 40-36 tattooed on his back to commemorate his pain.
The British boxing ecosystem would be better off if one 1-0 fighter met another 1-0 fighter. Up-and-coming boxers will learn more, and fans in attendance will have fun and be interested in future performances. It is the sport of brave men and women, and to a lesser extent matchmakers.
This sense of the unexpected is what makes sports so electrifying. Even a minnow in an FA Cup match has a slim chance of upsetting a Premier League giant with home-field advantage. In small-hall boxing, few opportunities are taken, and that leads to more major promoters – apart from the more capable blue-chip fighters who usually have the firepower to end a six-round fight before the inevitable 60-54 score.
has traditionally been a documentary and that’s why we’re including these small-room, in-ring reports, with scales and additional information you may not find on Boxrec. But a lot Boxing news readers tell me they just scroll through these pages because it’s basically the same result and the names change every week.
Skip to the amateur side of this publication, however, and you’ll regularly read about competitive, well-matched fights at all levels, from club appearances to major tournaments. This pure sporting element is unfortunately lost in an increasingly cynical and short-sighted, small-hall, unimaginative track. Rinse and repeat.
In the aged days, fights in diminutive venues were more competitive. Even in the era of Nobby Nobbs’ Losers Restricted stable, where the capable Peter Buckley accidentally hurt a potential client and held up a wheezing newbie to keep next week’s paycheck. – Are you okay, buddy? Peter whispered in the clinch, then winked at the ring.
This handsome British tradition of “Nobbins” – during which an enthusiastic and engaged crowd threw money into the ring after a classic in a diminutive hall – is unfortunately long gone. Today they would keep the rest in their pocket.
I would love to see the return of Nobbins culture, although there would need to be a contactless payment option at the ring posts. Better fights would also be nice.
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A community boxing legend honored on a special night
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3 days agoon
October 16, 2024RECENTLY, over 100 former members of the South Norwood & Victory Amateur Boxing Club gathered in Croydon for a special reunion to honor the club’s founder and long-time coach, Terry Smith.
Now 85 years senior, Terry has devoted nearly six decades of his life to mentoring youthful boxers and helping them develop both in the ring and as individuals. The meeting was a heartfelt event, with participants coming from all over the UK and messages of support pouring in from all over the world, with everyone expressing their gratitude for the impact Terry had on their lives.
Terry founded South Norwood & Victory ABC in 1979 with the vision of not only training boxers, but also providing a safe and sound space where youthful boys and men could develop crucial life values such as discipline, respect and perseverance. Over the years, he has become a mentor and role model for countless people, shaping their futures that reach far beyond the sport of boxing.
Through South Norwood & Victory, Terry and his co-coaches have produced numerous champions in both amateur divisions, many of whom have gone on to achieve great success at the professional level.
Among the participants of the reunion was Joshua Buatsi, the 2016 Olympic bronze medalist and one of the club’s most famed graduates. Buatsi, who began boxing under Terry’s tutelage as a teenager, spoke highly of his former trainer. “Terry didn’t just teach us how to box; he taught us how to be better people. The values he instilled in me – discipline, resilience, respect – are things I carry with me every day, both in and out of the ring. I owe him so much.”
Mark Gillespie, co-coach of the South Norwood & Victory Amateur Boxing Club and former multiple-time junior national champion who organized the reunion, paid tribute to Terry’s influence both in and out of the ring. He reflected: “Like many other members of the club, Terry was like a second father to me. In addition to his incredible commitment and knowledge as a boxing coach – helping us develop our technical skills and passion for the sport – Terry invested in us as people. He taught us life lessons that went far beyond boxing, instilling in us a sense of personal pride and self-worth.
Mark added that Terry’s influence extended to teaching valuable social and life skills that shaped the futures of many youthful boxers. “He taught us how to maintain discipline and respect, how to deal with failure and how to support each other both as athletes and as people. These were lessons in resilience, responsibility and leadership that stayed with us for life and positively impacted both our family and professional lives.”
This quote further illustrates Terry’s holistic approach to coaching, emphasizing that his legacy is not just about the sport itself, but how he helped shape confident and capable youthful men ready to face life’s challenges.
Other members shared similar sentiments, emphasizing how Terry’s influence helped them overcome personal challenges and grow as individuals. One long-time member recalls: “When I first joined the club as a kid, I was on the wrong path. Terry believed in me when no one else did and gave me a sense of direction. It’s something I will never forget.”
The reunion not only honored Terry’s sacrifice, but also highlighted the lasting impact South Norwood & Victory ABC has had on the local community. Former boxers, many of whom are now successful in their personal and professional lives, spoke about the club’s influence in shaping who they are today. Messages from former members who were unable to attend in person came from as far away as Spain and Thailand, highlighting the breadth of Terry’s legacy.
Reflecting on the evening, Terry, with his characteristic humility, expressed his gratitude for the outpouring of love and support. “I never expected something like this. I just always wanted to support these guys find their way, both in boxing and in life. Seeing them grow up and do well – that’s the best reward I could ask for.”
As Terry turns 86, his commitment to club members and their families remains as forceful as ever. South Norwood & Victory ABC is not just a boxing club – it is a community, a family and a testament to one man’s unwavering dedication to the betterment of others.
The meeting was a powerful reminder of Terry Smith’s enduring legacy, both in the sport of boxing and in the countless incarnations he has encountered.
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