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Exclusive Interview with Ted Zale, nephew of middleweight legend Tony Zale

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Thieves Who Stole Zale, Basilio Championship Belts Caught; The Belts Sadly Lost Forever

This week (June 10) marks the 75th anniversary of the third and final fight (see war) between middleweight champions Tony Zale and Rocky Graziano. “Man Of Steel” Zale won the match via brutal third-round KO, after stopping Graziano in the first fight and then stopping himself in the rematch.

Two-time middleweight king Zale (67-18-2(45)) is one of the toughest, hardest-hitting middleweights in history, and Zale’s effectiveness as a body puncher is well documented. In tiny, there will never be another Tony Zale. He was special.

Ted Zale, Tony’s nephew, lost his father at a newborn age, leaving “Uncle Tony” to step in, becoming a very real father figure. When asked by the former master to write a biography, Ted agreed, and Man of Steel was a really great read.

Today, as he approaches his 75th birthday, Ted was kind enough to give up some of his time for an interview for ESB readers.

Q: It’s great to talk to you, Ted. Can I ask you how ancient you were when your dad died and whether Tony Zale became a figure in your upbringing?

Ted Zale: “My dad died and Uncle Tony came to support us all. I had four brothers. I was eight years ancient when my father died.”

Q: And Tony Zale himself tragically lost his father at a newborn age, right?

TZ: “Yes, when he was two. His father died in the first bicycle-car accident in Gary, Indiana.

Q: Talk about the tough start in life for both of you……

TZ: “Yes. Fortunately, I had four older brothers and Uncle Tony. It definitely made a gigantic difference in my life.”

Q: What was Tony Zale like when he raised you? I think he had quite strict discipline.

TZ: “He was a very nice man, both as a father, mentor and friend. The feeling of love you always felt when you were with him was special. He was patient, loving – just a good friend.”

Q: When did you start writing Man of Steel?

TZ: “We went out to dinner in Chicago one night, me, my wife, him and his wife. This was probably in the behind schedule 80’s. And I was in the middle of a career change, gaining knowledge in the financial field, which became my career. He got fed up with me and asked, he said, “I have a amusing thing to ask you.” Would you write my biography? I felt honored but also shocked (laughter). I had just gotten my master’s degree, so I guess he figured I was used to writing a lot. So I told him I would take some time every day and try to do as much research as needed.

“He said, ‘Make sure you interview me!’ I told him I wouldn’t do it (laughter). I accumulated almost 300 hours of interviews with all my relatives who were still alive, of course with Uncle Tony himself to get his perspective, and with his friends who were still around. I started it in the behind schedule 80’s and finally finished it. He was contacted by Clay Moyle, obviously a boxing historian, and we worked on the book together.

Q: Have you spoken to any of your uncle’s former opponents?

TZ: “I certainly did. I talked to Rocky Graziano on the phone a few times to get his perspective on their fights. Billy Soose, who he fought in a non-title fight, I met him in Canastota, at the Hall of Fame. And maybe three or four guys who weren’t as well-known, they were a little put off by the uncle’s right to the body, so they never went after it. [a boxing career] much further.”

Q: Soose defeated Zale and there was no rematch?

TZ: “Uncle wanted to fight him again, but Soose couldn’t stay in that weight class, he was too gigantic. In a few of his fights he reached 167, 168. Boxers don’t like that, of course (laughs). Having [Soose] he was a Muhammad Ali type, he moved and threw a punch.

Q: Everyone rates the Zale-Graziano trilogy as one of the best. Would you say it was the greatest trilogy of all time?

TZ: “I would say yes. Yes. It was the golden age of boxing. Both guys took a lot of punishment and were willing to take a lot of punishment to win the fight.

Q: Did your uncle say Rocky was his toughest opponent ever?

TZ: “No. He said Rocky was good, of course, but the toughest guy he ever fought was the guy he won the title from, the NBA title, and that was Al Hostak. Al Hostak had speedy hands, a lot of power, good, shifty movement. I think Al’s Achilles’ heel was his hands, unfortunately – he broke them a lot in the fights. He actually had to have his hands retaped for their title fight because people were worried he had put weight on them with the tape. So they had to retape him for the fight with his uncle in Seattle.

“Probably the toughest guy he mentioned to me was a newborn Greek guy he fought in Chicago, Steve Mamakos. The uncle said he hit him with everything and couldn’t put him to sleep. He defeated him in the 14th round (in the second fight, Zale won by majority decision in the first fight). Rocky would probably be there, right between them. Rocky was a street fighter, he had this gigantic right hand and he knew how to exploit it.

Q: And only the third Zale-Graziano fight was filmed, right?

TZ: “Yeah. By the third fight, my uncle knew what he wanted to do with him and what he couldn’t do with him, so it was a pretty dominant performance. Although Rocky tried to land some good shots and he managed to land some good shots in the second round. But it wasn’t enough to stop my uncle in his quest to regain the title.”

Q: Everyone talks about Zale’s great body punching. Was it his ability to punch the body that set him apart?

TZ: “Absolutely yes. He was a fighter who wanted to knock someone out, leaving no doubt as to the winner. They said he was a bad gym fighter, but he wasn’t a bad gym fighter. What he was trying to do was find movement and timing. When you threw with your left or right hand, he ducked, connected with the body and had a neat shot. And that’s what he’s been working on his entire gym career. According to him, it didn’t bother him if his sparring partner hit him. He just wanted to shorten the time so he could land a crushing punch straight to the body and then finish it off with a left hook.

Q: Your uncle certainly has some heritage.

TZ: “Yeah, and it wasn’t just boxing that was vital to him. Helping kids… He spent the rest of his career after boxing helping kids in Chicago. It’s just an incredible story. What he did. The testimonies I got from a lot of ancient fighters. They came to his funeral and said if it wasn’t for him, they’d be dead on the streets of Chicago. They told me that, they said, ‘He saved my life.’

“When I was signing books, I met two different soldiers who served in World War II. My uncle trained men in hand-to-hand combat in Puerto Rico before they went overseas to fight in World War II. Two boys told me that if it weren’t for their uncle’s training, the Germans would have killed them. They said that if it weren’t for the hand-to-hand combat training he gave them, they wouldn’t be here today. It’s great to know he had such an impact on people he never knew. He taught them how to survive.”

Q: Of course there should be a movie about Tony Zale. Graziano got the cinematic treatment with “Somebody Up There Likes Me.”

TZ: “It really should be. The uncle was supposed to play himself in this movie, but he killed Paul Newman. Uncle Tony played alone, practiced in the ring, and Newman hit my uncle a few times. My uncle said it was an act, he told him don’t hit me or I will hit you. Newman said he could tell my uncle was getting grave. But Newman came up with a right hand and punched him, and the uncle landed a right shot to the body and knocked him out for about three minutes! When Newman stood up, he said, “That’s it!” He has gone.’ And that’s it.

Q: Tony Zale actually flattened Paul Newman!

TZ: “I tried to get Newman to talk about it, but he didn’t want to talk about it. I tried to interview him and he said, “I don’t want to talk about it.” Before I finish, I just need to mention my uncle’s world championship belts that were stolen from the International Hall of Fame. We rented belts there, and on November 5, 2015, someone broke in and stole two belts from my uncle and four belts from Carmen Basilio. They are still missing. No idea who it was, although there was a bloodstain, broken glass, but no matches. [with prints]. We hope to get his stripes back one day.”

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Delicate heavyweight legend John Henry Lewis achieved success the difficult way

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During the linear era, John Henry Lewis was one of the world’s greatest lithe heavyweight champions, dominating the division in the mid-1930s in much the same way that Bob Foster did in the early 1970s.

Like Foster, he defended his title regularly, and like Foster, he stumbled when he came up for the world heavyweight title. Joe Frazier cashed in on Bob in a two-round thrashing, and as we shall see, Lewis was unlucky enough to run into the great Joe Louis, who defeated him in one round.

Lewis grew up in Arizona and, like many black fighters of the era, had to learn his craft the difficult way, fighting in many diminutive arenas in and around Phoenix. One of those diminutive arenas was named after boxing’s most eminent venue, Madison Square Garden.

It took Lewis five years and nearly 50 fights to step foot inside the real Garden in Recent York, and when he did, he lost a 10-round decision to Jimmy Braddock, who was on Skid Row at the time. The following year, Braddock hit the jackpot, as did Lewis.

On October 31, 1935, Lewis defeated Bob Olin to win the world lithe heavyweight title. He then boxed eight times in three months in 10-round non-title fights, losing two of them. That was how champions made money in those days, especially in the unfashionable weight class. They traveled the country for good prizes and generally didn’t care whether they won or lost. Lewis defended his title twice in 1936, and each time he chose British fighters.

A week after winning a 10-round fight with Eddie Simms in St. Louis, Lewis returned to Madison Square Garden in Recent York to face Rochdale’s Jock McAvoy (both men pictured below) for the title. As I mentioned in my article last June, McAvoy had set the boxing world on fire in 1935 when he knocked out Babe Risko in one round in his second American fight, and this title fight was his just reward.

The height difference between the two men is clearly evident in the attached photo and proved to be a major factor on the night, with Lewis using his extra height and reach to do just enough to win most of the rounds by a slim margin. McAvoy was always in the fight, especially in the last few rounds when he knew he had to stop his man, but it wasn’t enough.

Eight months later Lewis arrived in Britain to defend his title against Len Harvey. The Cornishman held British middleweight, lithe heavyweight and heavyweight titles in a glittering professional career that began when he was just 12 and was at the peak of his powers in 1936. He lost the heavyweight title to Jack Petersen in January 1936 and did not fight again.

The fight with Lewis took place at the Empire Pool, Wembley, in front of a packed house of 11,800. Harvey came in at 12st 4lb, three pounds under the championship limit. In the 1930s there was far less concern about fighters coming in just ounces under the weight limit, as there is today. The boxer trained difficult and whatever weight he felt most comfortable at, he fought.

Once again Lewis was simply too good for his British opponent. Titled “Britisher’s Bold and Valiant Bid for the World’s Delicate-Heavyweight Crown” reported that Lewis had to put up a tough fight before he managed to win.

Lewis boxed until 1939, when, as the undefeated lithe heavyweight king, he entered the ring with Joe Louis for the main prize. He lasted only a few minutes, as the Brown Bomber knocked him out with murderous blows. This was John’s last fight. He immediately retired due to eye problems and died in 1974 at the age of just 59.

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Battle of the Irresistible Dreams: Sugar Ray Robinson vs. Sugar Ray Leonard

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Irresistible Dream Fight: Sugar Ray Robinson Vs. Sugar Ray Leonard

How would you title the Dream Fight – perhaps the biggest, most fascinating, most controversial Dream Fight imaginable – between the two Sugars, Robinson and Leonard?

There is no doubt that during their in-ring careers, Robinson and Leonard raised the bar for the sport, and with it the expectations of the fans as to what they could expect when both champions were in action. Both Sugars were akin to wizards. Both Sugars were as stunning as they were brutal. Both Robinson and Leonard were uniquely special.

For years, we fans have dreamed of Dream Fights (and yes, many of you have long since grown tired of the idea). For many, Sugar Vs. Sugar Battle is the single, most fascinating dream fight of them all.

At their peak, both men seemed untouchable for a time, and both Robinson and Leonard also managed to pull off the impossible by launching epic comebacks. The original Sugar Ray returned and became a five-time middleweight king! This came after retiring following a nasty, heat-induced KO of Joey Maxim.

Leonard, knocked to the ground and looking like sweat by Kevin Howard, returned to shock the all-consuming Marvelous Marvin Hagler (and here we have another dynamite dream fight: Robinson vs. Hagler!).

Yes, one evening Sugar and Sugar gave us some stunning things.

So who would win if these two titans met when they were both operating at their peak?

It’s the most hard question you can ask in boxing. It goes something like this: What if the Tunney-Dempsey rematch hadn’t had a long count? What if the Marciano-Walcott fight had been scheduled for 12 rounds instead of 15? What if Muhammad Ali hadn’t been forced into exile in 1967? What if Leonard-Hearns had been scheduled for 12 rounds instead of 15? And so on…

Would Robinson, the welterweight king, dominate Leonard, perhaps even knock him out (something no one has managed to do to the first-rate Leonard)? Or would Leonard operate all his special genius to box, punch, cheat, and contort his namesake into a close and controversial defeat? All three scenarios are possible.

But this one, more than most Dream Fights, comes down to personal opinion and nothing more. In fact, some might say the very idea of ​​pairing Robinson and Leonard is simply sacrilege.

It depends on you.

My Pick: Robinson would be forced to work strenuous, dig deep and fully utilize his brilliant boxing mind to earn a close but unanimous decision victory.

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On This Day: Chavez Stops Mayweather (Again)

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On This Day: Chavez Stops Mayweather (Again)

For many fight fans, the dream fight that is simple to dream about is a fight between Mexican legend Julio Cesar Chavez and the 50-0 fighter himself, Floyd Mayweather. That would be totally fascinating, weighing in at 130, 135 or 140 pounds. But we can only dream.

In the real world, Chavez fought Money’s uncle and trainer, Roger Mayweather. Twice. The first fight took place in the summer of 1985 at 130 pounds. Chavez won a quick and decisive second-round victory. No one had reason to believe these two would ever meet again. But they did, because Chavez-Mayweather II took place on this day, May 13, 1989.

Mayweather regrouped after his loss to the large Mexican, while “JC Superstar” continued his march to greatness. “Black Mamba” Mayweather was now 34-5 and the current WBC welterweight champion. Not only that, Roger had earned himself another nickname, “The Mexican Killer,” because he had recently defeated six Mexican fighters.

The rematch suddenly appealed to Chavez, who won 62-0 and became a three-division champion. The return was to take place at the Great Western Forum in Inglewood, California, and this time it was a different fight. A much more competitive fight.

Mayweather, knowing from up close how threatening and powerful Chavez was, adopted a novel tactic, a tactic that involved him boxing and moving from a distance, and Roger using a lot of lateral movement and having a lot of punches. Mayweather with his brisk hands managed to attack Chavez with edged punches, which on the fourth attempt enraged Chavez, who gave his rival a icy stare. In addition, Mayweather was deducted a point for a low blow. But the fight, which one of Chavez might have thought was already over, was becoming very good.

Halfway through the rounds Chavez, whose eminent bodywork was once again on display, began to wear his fighter down. Mayweather held on more, though still landed some good counters. The fight was now in the middle, Chavez fighting HIS fight. The finish was a bit odd. Mayweather boxed well in round ten, even throwing an “Ali Shuffle” and his movement served him well again. However, after the session Mayweather told his corner he was done and couldn’t continue.

Chavez stopped Mayweather again, but this time he had to work difficult for the win. At the time he retired from the corner, Chavez was leading on all three cards, 99-90, 98-90, 98-90, yet Mayweather evened it up in some rounds and managed to frustrate Chavez at times (HBO’s Harold Lederman evened the fight after the ninth.)

How would Chavez fare in a fight with “Money” Mayweather? This is a fight, a dream fight, that inspires many debates!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21KLmar14kc&pp=ygURY2hhdmV6IG1heXdlYXRoZXI%3D

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