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Exclusive interview with Derek “Sweet D” Williams: on working with Dundee, sparring with Tyson, Holmes, Cooney and more

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Exclusive Derek "Sweet D" Williams Interview: On Working With Dundee, Sparring With Tyson, Holmes, Cooney, and More

Former British, Commonwealth and European heavyweight champion Derek Williams has had quite a career – and not all of it on the world stage. Famously sparring with peak Mike Tyson, “Sweet D” also sparred with Larry Holmes, Gerry Cooney, Frank Bruno and others. Trained for some time under the great Angelo Dundee, Williams had a brief amateur career and, starting his professional career, fended for himself.

Later, as he proved his worth, Williams was endorsed by several notable players. But in the beginning, only Williams and his 6-foot-10 frame, as well as his skills in boxing, punching and moving around the ring, ensured his survival.

Here, the 58-year-old, who now devotes a lot of time to motivational speaking, fondly recalls moments from his career for the benefit of ESB readers:

Q: Thank you very much for talking to Eastside Boxing. Of course I remember you from those days, as well as the fans – there were a lot of British heavyweights back then in the slow 80s and early 90s.

Derek Williams: “Yes, there were a lot of heavyweights. I talked about this yesterday. There were a lot of good heavyweights in the 1990s and I think anyone in the top 10 or top 20 can be a world champion today. I know I may be a bit biased, but that’s what I think.

Q: I agree with you. It was a great era; it was you, Lennon Lewis, Gary Mason and Bruno.

DW: “There were a few guys in England itself. You had Lennox, who was an outstanding warrior. Then there was Frank Bruno, me, Gary Mason, Horace Notice… all the guys who could handle themselves. Now I deal with boxing, I advise the boys and I have a column in Boxing News. I also write as a freelancer for other newspapers and magazines. For me, it’s about writing the truth, not just about pleasing people. And sometimes the truth hurts.”

Q: Absolutely, and as you know, there are a lot of controversial things going on right now, like failed drug tests and stuff like that. But that’s a completely different interview!

DW: “Yes. If you think about it, the problem we have with boxing is that there is no global governing body. You have different governing bodies that award world championship titles. But there is no global governing body. So people will do their thing. You know, if someone… I don’t know, like PEDS. If someone abuses this, they can be disqualified for six months and returned to boxing. Or they will go to fight in another organization and there will be no problem. We need to eliminate these things and boxing needs more order. But until then, it will remain free for everyone. If they don’t like it, they just appoint a up-to-date governing body.”

Q: You’re right. But let’s talk about your amazing career! You only fought a dozen or so amateur fights?

DW: “I had ten amateur fights. And that’s it… I came up with ten amateur fights, I never had any support behind me. I never had any huge promoter, training team or sponsor behind me. What I had was a desire. I loved seeing the elderly ones [fight] tapes – George Foreman, Muhammad Ali. I watched these guys for a long time, learning, and I inherited this belief. And that’s what I tell people: you can achieve your goal. Because to become European champion, Commonwealth champion and British champion and be among the top ten players in the world without any support from anyone, that says a lot. Because I fought at a time when you had to be able to fight to get in.

Q: Yours was also a quick progress…. You defeated Hughroy Currie and became a three-belt champion in your fifteenth fight?

DW: “It was my 14th fight.”

Q: Wow. And you’re right, fighters like Bruno and Mason had people like Terry Lawless and Mickey Duff looking out for them….

DW: “Eventually, when I became champion, I started moving up from those guys. But up to this point I was just trying to get through it. But the key, Jim, is that you have faith and training, along with a bit of luck and talent. But I tell people, I left without complaining, that there is no one behind me, no one is pushing me. To be able to mix at this level, to get out of the game, to still be able to communicate and correspond with people… I’m doing a lot of talks now, motivational talks. The thing is, I enjoyed my boxing career and tried not to get injured. Would I do anything differently? I don’t think I would. My journey was my journey. I left ok. Some of the boys I meet at fighter meetings, I also see some from my time who are neglected, hurt and unable to speak. And I feel sorry for them. Many of them were molested. People take advantage of boxers, if you didn’t know. Sometimes they are too evenly matched or fight at the last minute to save the promoter. And many of them didn’t get much money. If you don’t fight in the main event, there is no huge money. It wasn’t great. I broke this pattern by becoming a champion and being able to demand what I wanted.

Q: Nothing has been given to you, that’s for sure. Looking at your achievements, you have fought against many names. Your victory over the risky Jimmy Thunder was a good victory for you….

DW: “I remember those fights where I was an outside guy coming on stage and no one was supporting me. I went to the United States, like Mississippi, and it was amazing [Jose] Ribalta (This was during the 1993 People’s Choice Heavyweight Tournament). Let me ask you now, Jim, how come I knocked a guy down three times in a three-round fight and he won (on points)!?”

Q: It was crazy, I remember that tournament….

DW: “So I looked at it, right, I looked at the guys I beat…. When I fought Bert Cooper, Bert Cooper looked like a mess and the referee was about to stop the fight but he made the decision (laughter). So I said to myself: “OK, I’m an away fighter, I’m fighting in America.” But it happens and I don’t cry about it. Without a doubt, if you don’t have the right people looking after you, you will struggle. I think I had my breakthrough because there weren’t many heavyweights who could box and punch. If you could box as well as punch, you’d have a chance of beating huge, lumbering heavyweights, and I did.

Q: You could do both, and some would say you’re stuck between two styles, boxing and huge punching. Is it OK?

DW: “Yes, I was a little bit. I like the idea of ​​boxing as entertainment, as punching. I always wanted to put on a show.”

Q: How did you come to work with Angelo Dundee on the Lennox fight?

DW: “I was training in Up-to-date York a few years earlier and met Angelo. He liked talking to me and liked my style, so he joined us. And I liked that he was on board. He was like a psychologist.”

Q: What do you think are the best things he taught you?

DW: “He showed me you can win! He always told you to keep the right attitude, he always motivated you, that’s his key. I do it with guys now; I never tell guys they can’t do it. I always tell them they can do it if they put their mind to it. And don’t forget that his background was working with fighters like Muhammad Ali. So being in his presence, it was great to hear how to overcome obstacles and challenges.”

Q: And famously you sparred many rounds with peak Mike Tyson. And he couldn’t do anything to you!

DW: “Mike, well, Mike (laughter)…. he never liked guys who could jab and move, and that’s what I can do, I can jab and move. So Mike, he tried to trick me into injecting, but I was intelligent enough to now know to stick around and let him tag me! Mike was “Iron Mike” back then. But you know, a lot of guys get beaten in sparring. A lot of guys who got injured in boxing; this happens in sparring. Tough, difficult sparring sessions that take a lot out of you. I never thought about getting into gym wars because gym wars ruin a lot of guys. Gym Wars…..you go to Philly, you see amazing fights, gym fights, but these guys never leave the gym. When fighting at Blue Horizon or anywhere else, many of them wage too many gym wars. For me, boxing is about being able to protect yourself, moving your head and protecting your head.

Q: Did you also spar with Larry Holmes and Gerry Cooney?

DW: “Yes. As I said, I have never had an amateur career. But I went to any gym and took it upon myself to really learn the game. I read elderly Ring and KO magazines. They told stories of warriors traveling around and sparring with everyone. The great Larry Holmes, y’all, sparred with everyone else to learn the game. I tried to adapt it to my program – learning and sparring. I even went here and sparred with Bruno and traveled around. I traveled all over Up-to-date York, Philadelphia, everywhere to spar and learn. I practiced what I preached – I went out to learn and work to become a champion, and it worked. Thank you.”

Q: What did Larry Holmes think about your stabbing? He probably had the best jab in heavyweight history!

DW: “Larry Holmes, he came with me [on the ring walk]and after the fight [with Ribalta], he thought I won that fight too. I thought to myself, “wow, Larry Holmes is talking to me!” He stayed with me in the locker room afterwards, and then, thanks to his advice, I went to Philadelphia for training. He’s one of the greatest heavyweights of all time.”

Q: I have to ask you about two completely bizarre fights you had in France with Jean-Mauric Chanet. After one of these two fights, there were mass riots – was it the first or second fight?

DW: “The riot was the second fight. When you go into someone’s backyard to fight, you never know what’s going to happen there. I found out as [European] a champion, but without real protection. You know, boxing is a comical game. You have to be careful where you eat because someone might put something in your drink. You never know. So we took our own team, our own chef, our own security team to travel around, you know? I don’t want to accuse anyone, but if you remember, I killed that guy in the first minute and a half. The referee was close to stopping the fight. However, he allowed the fight to continue to give the crowd a chance to get a round. And the difference between one and two rounds [for me] it was like night and day. I just didn’t feel like fighting anymore. It was just weird. I do not know what happened.”

Fans can read Derek’s regular column on the UK Boxing News website.

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Bunny Sterling’s great legacy in British boxing

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St Pancras’ BUNNY STERLING will always be remembered as the first black non-British-born player to win a British title. He was the first to benefit from rule changes introduced by the Board in 1968 and defeated one of the golden boys of British boxing, winning the title.

Mark Rowe had a very successful amateur career, culminating in winning a gold medal at the 1966 Commonwealth Games held in Perth, Australia. Representing England, Rowe overtook Scotsman Tom Imrie to win welterweight gold, sweet revenge for the Londoner after being knocked out by Imrie in the ABA final at the same weight just over three months earlier. When Rowe turned around two months later, it was in a blaze of publicity at the Royal Albert Hall.

Meanwhile, Bunny made his professional debut at the less austere Shoreditch Town Hall. Losing points over six rounds to Islington’s Joe Devitt BN stated that Sterling “was willing, threw one or two punches and always resisted. A boy from St Pancras given the chance to learn a trade would do well.”

Sterling came to the UK aged seven from Jamaica in 1955 and attended Fortescue boarding school in Twickenham, where he played rugby, football and cricket. He was also involved in boxing, and as an amateur at the BC Polytechnic University he came under the tutelage of the slow, great George Francis. Knowing a good player when he saw one, George encouraged Bunny to turn professional and stayed with him as his coach. A loss to Devitt was quickly followed by two more, but Bunny learned from those losses and quickly turned things around, winning the next seven.

By 1969, he was mixing it with artists such as Johnny Kramer, Wally Swift, Harry Scott and Dick Duffy. Despite losing to all four fighters, Sterling was selected by the management to fight in a British middleweight title eliminator against Denny Pleace and defeated him over nine rounds at the Anglo-American Sporting Club. Then came the final eliminator against Harry Scott and Sterling got his revenge by beating the Liverpool veteran of twelve years in Nottingham.

Sterling Bunny

Rowe won the British title at Wembley in May 1970, defeating fellow Liverpudlian Les McAteer in 14 rounds, and when he faced Sterling four months later in his first defense, most thought he would be able to finally defeat Sterling . BN was no exception and predicted Rowe to win after the break. The two fighters could not have had more contrasting careers, with Rowe winning his last 15 fights, mostly on major London events, and Bunny, who found it arduous to get fights, losing regularly and campaigning on the continent to find work.

Rowe’s trainer, Bill Chevalley, was already talking about pairing his boy with world champion Nino Benvenuti after he defeated Sterling, but those plans were thwarted by in-ring events at Wembley in September 1970. The Commonwealth title was also at stake, and Bunny, what was at stake BN called the “shock of the year” had nothing to do with it. He boxed on the back foot for the first two rounds, trying to avoid the powerful punches of the stalking Rowe, and then after catching Rowe’s head and causing a cut, Rowe charged at him, looking for an early stoppage.

This brought out the best in Sterling, who boxed better than ever before and managed to avoid Rowe’s desperate attacks. Rowe was then cut on the other side of his face, with blood pouring from two solemn cuts, and referee Wally Thom stopped the fight after four rounds, much to the annoyance of Rowe and his camp.

Bunny remained champion for four years, winning the Lonsdale belt outright before losing to Kevin Finnegan in February 1974. He was the first immigrant to win a British title and his place in British boxing history is assured.

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Leotis Martin has beaten the fearsome heavyweight beast

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Name and surname: Leotis Martin

Born: March 10, 1939 Helena, Arkansas, USA

Died: November 20, 1995

Career: 1962–1969

Record: 36 fights, 31 wins (19 by KO/TKO), 5 defeats (2 by KO/TKO).

Division: heavyweight

Attitude: orthodox

Titles: NABF Heavyweight Champion


Major competitions

Goals scored over: Allan Harmon, Sonny Banks, Von Clay, Amos Johnson, Roberto Davila, Mariano Echevarria, Billy Daniels, Karl Mildenberger*, Thad Spencer, Alvin Lewis (twice), Roger Russell, Sonny Liston **

Lost to: Floyd McCoy, Jimmy Ellis**, Roger Russell, Henry Clark, Oscar Bonavena*

**Former/future world title version holder

*Unsuccessful challenger to the world title version


The boxing story of Leotis Martin

As an amateur, Martin had an outstanding record. In March 1960 at the Golden Gloves Tournament of Champions, he defeated future foe Jimmy Ellis in the 160-pound final and a month later. At the Intercity Golden Gloves (the predecessor of the National Golden Gloves), he won the 160-pound title. He also won the U.S. title in April 1960 again at 160 pounds (newborn Cassius Clay was the 178-pound champion that year), but lost in the semifinals of the U.S. Olympic trials in May. In 1961, he repeated his victory in the Intercity Golden Gloves, but lost in the semi-final of the 1961 national finals.

He moved to Philadelphia and was trained by Yank Durham, who also trained Joe Frazier. Martin had his first professional fight in Canada on January 26, 1962, against American Bobby Warthen, whom he defeated in the final of the Intercity Golden Gloves in 1960. He then crossed the border and scored three wins in Pennsylvania in 1962. In 1963, he won 9 -1 in ten fights and lost by upset KO to 14-14-1 Floyd McCoy.

He won five in a row, but one victory went to Sonny Banks. Banks, a ponderous puncher, knocked down Cassius Clay in the first round of their 1962 fight, only to be stopped in the fourth. On May 10, 1965, Banks was winning against Martin, who was badly shaken in the ninth throw, but delivered a counter right that sent Banks down, hitting his head on the canvas. Banks was taken from the ring on a stretcher. He never recovered and died three days later.

Martin returned to the ring with a victory in October 1965 and scored victories over Von Clay, Amos Johnson, Roberto Davila and Spaniard Mariano Echevarria. Victories over several underdogs pushed his record to 23-1 by June 1967. When Muhammad Ali refused to enlist in the U.S. Army, the WBA stripped him of his title and held a tournament to determine a novel champion. Martin was selected to compete in the qualifiers, and in the quarterfinals he drew with Jimmy Ellis, his rival from his amateur days, when they lost 1-1 in two fights. It wouldn’t be a heavyweight fight at this point.

They both climbed on the weights. Martin weighed 160 pounds in his first fight and weighed 192 pounds in this fight. Ellis weighed just 157 pounds and was 194 ¼. Ellis won easily. He was too swift for Martin from the start and Martin staggered repeatedly before the fight was stopped in the ninth throw as blood poured from a cut in Martin’s mouth. Ellis defeated Oscar Bonavena in the semifinals to win the vacant WBA title by majority decision over Jerry Quarry.

Martin came close to disappearing from the heavyweight scene when he lost a split decision to Roger Russell in November 1967. The year 1968 was a period of ups and downs for Martin. In April he went to Germany, where he defeated Karl Mildenberger three times and knocked him out in the seventh round.

The rollercoaster went down when he lost a majority decision to Henry Clark just twenty-two days after the Mildenberger fight, and then it went up again in May when he stopped Thad Spencer in nine rounds in one of the greatest heavyweight fights ever seen at the British ring. It was surprising to see two Americans on top of the Albert Hall show, but the fight will forever be remembered by those who saw it. Down went down the rollercoaster again when Martin was easily beaten on points by Oscar Bonavena in Buenos Aires in September.

Martin was dismissed as unpredictable and once again on the verge of being the favorite in the heavyweight division. But it was another uptick from the rollercoaster of 1968, when he faced Alvin “Blue” Lewis 19-1 in November and stopped Lewis in the ninth round in front of Lewis’ home fans. Lewis demanded a return and in February 1969, again in Detroit, Martin won by split decision. Martin retained Wendell Newton in October and made up for his 1967 loss to Roger Russell in November.

Martin’s fate was about to change. Since losing his second fight to Ali in 1965, Sonny Liston had won 14 straight fights, 13 by KO/TKO, and Martin was selected as winner number 15. They were to meet in Las Vegas on December 6, 1969. twelve rounds, and the inaugural title of the North American Boxing Federation is at stake. Liston had a 20-pound advantage over Martin and was three inches taller. The downside for Liston is that he’s a week away from his thirty-ninth birthday.

Yet Liston was still feared. Martin helped Liston prepare for fights with Floyd Patterson and Muhammad Ali, so he knew Liston well. He decided that if he could survive the early rounds, he would face the weakening Liston and have a chance to win. It didn’t look like Martin’s plan was going to work when Liston dropped him with a left hook overdue in the fourth round.

Martin survived the remaining 30 seconds and boxed in retreat, partly as part of his plan but also because of Liston’s hammer jab. Even on the retreat, Martin was finding the mark with his own jab and using his younger legs to set a faster pace than Liston wanted. After eight rounds of chasing the retreating Martin, Liston was ahead with three points on two cards and two points on the third, but Liston was tiring.

In the eighth round, Martin shook off a huge left hook and began to push Liston away with more punches. In the ninth, Martin missed Liston and then delivered a demanding cross to the head that stunned Liston. Martin landed lefts and rights and Liston fell face first onto the canvas, not moving for the 10 second count. This rollercoaster reached novel heights, with Martin earning the best win of his career and a shot at the world title.

But this is Leotis Martin and the roller coaster has taken one last cruel turn. Martin was diagnosed with retinal detachment and forced to retire. The injury was said to be from the Liston fights, but there was a mention that he was battling an injury from before the Liston fight. Eye surgery has advanced and a detached retina would not automatically be a reason for retirement today, but for Martin in 1969 it meant the end of his career.

During his boxing career from 1964, Martin worked full-time as a mechanic for a manufacturing company and continued this work until his retirement in 1995. In November of that year, he suffered a stroke caused by high blood pressure and complications of diabetes and died at the age of only 56.

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Leotis Martin has beaten the fearsome heavyweight beast

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Name and surname: Leotis Martin

Born: March 10, 1939 Helena, Arkansas, USA

Died: November 20, 1995

Career: 1962–1969

Record: 36 fights, 31 wins (19 by KO/TKO), 5 defeats (2 by KO/TKO).

Division: heavyweight

Attitude: orthodox

Titles: NABF Heavyweight Champion


Major competitions

Goals scored over: Allan Harmon, Sonny Banks, Von Clay, Amos Johnson, Roberto Davila, Mariano Echevarria, Billy Daniels, Karl Mildenberger*, Thad Spencer, Alvin Lewis (twice), Roger Russell, Sonny Liston **

Lost to: Floyd McCoy, Jimmy Ellis**, Roger Russell, Henry Clark, Oscar Bonavena*

**Former/future world title version holder

*Unsuccessful challenger to the world title version


The boxing story of Leotis Martin

As an amateur, Martin had an outstanding record. In March 1960 at the Golden Gloves Tournament of Champions, he defeated future foe Jimmy Ellis in the 160-pound final and a month later. At the Intercity Golden Gloves (the predecessor of the National Golden Gloves), he won the 160-pound title. He also won the U.S. title in April 1960 again at 160 pounds (youthful Cassius Clay was the 178-pound champion that year), but lost in the semifinals of the U.S. Olympic trials in May. In 1961, he repeated his victory in the Intercity Golden Gloves, but lost in the semi-final of the 1961 national finals.

He moved to Philadelphia and was trained by Yank Durham, who also trained Joe Frazier. Martin had his first professional fight in Canada on January 26, 1962, against American Bobby Warthen, whom he defeated in the final of the Intercity Golden Gloves in 1960. He then crossed the border and scored three wins in Pennsylvania in 1962. In 1963, he won 9 -1 in ten fights and lost by upset KO to 14-14-1 Floyd McCoy.

He won five in a row, but one victory went to Sonny Banks. Banks, a ponderous puncher, knocked down Cassius Clay in the first round of their 1962 fight, only to be stopped in the fourth. On May 10, 1965, Banks was winning against Martin, who was badly shaken in the ninth throw, but delivered a counter right that sent Banks down, hitting his head on the canvas. Banks was taken from the ring on a stretcher. He never recovered and died three days later.

Martin returned to the ring with a victory in October 1965 and scored victories over Von Clay, Amos Johnson, Roberto Davila and Spaniard Mariano Echevarria. Victories over several underdogs pushed his record to 23-1 by June 1967. When Muhammad Ali refused to enlist in the U.S. Army, the WBA stripped him of his title and held a tournament to determine a fresh champion. Martin was selected to compete in the qualifiers, and in the quarterfinals he drew with Jimmy Ellis, his rival from his amateur days, when they lost 1-1 in two fights. It wouldn’t be a heavyweight fight at this point.

They both climbed on the weights. Martin weighed 160 pounds in his first fight and weighed 192 pounds in this fight. Ellis weighed just 157 pounds and was 194 ¼. Ellis won easily. He was too speedy for Martin from the start and Martin staggered repeatedly before the fight was stopped in the ninth throw as blood poured from a cut in Martin’s mouth. Ellis defeated Oscar Bonavena in the semifinals to win the vacant WBA title by majority decision over Jerry Quarry.

Martin came close to disappearing from the heavyweight scene when he lost a split decision to Roger Russell in November 1967. The year 1968 was a period of ups and downs for Martin. In April he went to Germany, where he defeated Karl Mildenberger three times and knocked him out in the seventh round.

The rollercoaster went down when he lost a majority decision to Henry Clark just twenty-two days after the Mildenberger fight, and then it went up again in May when he stopped Thad Spencer in nine rounds in one of the greatest heavyweight fights ever seen at the British ring. It was surprising to see two Americans on top of the Albert Hall show, but the fight will forever be remembered by those who saw it. Down went down the rollercoaster again when Martin was easily beaten on points by Oscar Bonavena in Buenos Aires in September.

Martin was dismissed as unpredictable and once again on the verge of being the favorite in the heavyweight division. But it was another uptick from the rollercoaster of 1968, when he faced Alvin “Blue” Lewis 19-1 in November and stopped Lewis in the ninth round in front of Lewis’ home fans. Lewis demanded a return and in February 1969, again in Detroit, Martin won by split decision. Martin retained Wendell Newton in October and made up for his 1967 loss to Roger Russell in November.

Martin’s fate was about to change. Since losing his second fight to Ali in 1965, Sonny Liston had won 14 straight fights, 13 by KO/TKO, and Martin was selected as winner number 15. They were to meet in Las Vegas on December 6, 1969. twelve rounds, and the inaugural title of the North American Boxing Federation is at stake. Liston had a 20-pound advantage over Martin and was three inches taller. The downside for Liston is that he’s a week away from his thirty-ninth birthday.

Yet Liston was still feared. Martin helped Liston prepare for fights with Floyd Patterson and Muhammad Ali, so he knew Liston well. He decided that if he could survive the early rounds, he would face the weakening Liston and have a chance to win. It didn’t look like Martin’s plan was going to work when Liston dropped him with a left hook slow in the fourth round.

Martin survived the remaining 30 seconds and boxed in retreat, partly as part of his plan but also because of Liston’s hammer jab. Even on the retreat, Martin was finding the mark with his own jab and using his younger legs to set a faster pace than Liston wanted. After eight rounds of chasing the retreating Martin, Liston was ahead with three points on two cards and two points on the third, but Liston was tiring.

In the eighth round, Martin shook off a huge left hook and began to push Liston away with more punches. In the ninth, Martin missed Liston and then delivered a demanding cross to the head that stunned Liston. Martin landed lefts and rights and Liston fell face first onto the canvas, not moving for the 10 second count. This rollercoaster reached fresh heights, with Martin earning the best win of his career and a shot at the world title.

But this is Leotis Martin and the roller coaster has taken one last cruel turn. Martin was diagnosed with retinal detachment and forced to retire. The injury was said to be from the Liston fights, but there was a mention that he was battling an injury from before the Liston fight. Eye surgery has advanced and a detached retina would not automatically be a reason for retirement today, but for Martin in 1969 it meant the end of his career.

During his boxing career from 1964, Martin worked full-time as a mechanic for a manufacturing company and continued this work until his retirement in 1995. In November of that year, he suffered a stroke caused by high blood pressure and complications of diabetes and died at the age of only 56.

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